Potential employer flew me out for interview, cancels return flight
A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
interviewing travel expenses
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That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
– Victor S
16 hours ago
235
What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
91
That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
127
Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
76
If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
interviewing travel expenses
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A company I was interested in just flew me out for an interview. It was on the other side of the country so they paid for my flight and hotel. Unfortunately, the interview went disastrously. I blew every question and I could tell that they didn't like me personally.
When I got to the airport for my return flight, I was unable to get my boarding pass. The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund. Despite my persistence, they assured me that there wasn't a mistake.
I called the company to tell them there was a mix-up, but they just told me they decided they would "going in a different direction". I told them I was fine that I didn't get the job, but I didn't have a flight home. They just repeated the same "going in a different direction" phrase and told me they couldn't help me. After calling back 3 or 4 times, they told me to stop harassing them.
I'm completely broke due to poor financial decisions (that's a different story), so I can't afford a last minute plane ticket. It doesn't help that this is a small airport, so ticket prices are high. So basically I've been stuck at the airport for the past 3 days. Yesterday, my credit card started being declined, so I've had to eat scraps from other customers.
Fortunately, I do have an existing job (albeit awful job) when I get home. And I finally got a friend of a friend to agree to pick me up and drive me to a Greyhound bus station in another town. So while I'm sitting in the airport waiting for him with a lot of time to think, I wanted to ask a few questions that have been spinning around my mind:
- Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
- A specific legal question about recourse against this employer has been asked on Law SE
- The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the
future)?
interviewing travel expenses
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That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
– Victor S
16 hours ago
235
What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
91
That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
127
Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
76
If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago
|
show 24 more comments
120
That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
– Victor S
16 hours ago
235
What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
91
That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
127
Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
76
If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago
120
120
That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
– Victor S
16 hours ago
That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
– Victor S
16 hours ago
235
235
What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
91
91
That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
127
127
Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
76
76
If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago
If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago
|
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform to name and shame on.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
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Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
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@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
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"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
IANA, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
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@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
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@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
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Or, by GooglingGreyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks
– Mawg
11 hours ago
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You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
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@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
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What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
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@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
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I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
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even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
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Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
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Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
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Yes, this sounds sleazy.
I have heard of similar tactics by recruiters, but in another manner.
One such thing happened to a friend who was set up by a recruiter for an interview. The company promised to reimburse him for the trip, but asked him to set it up. He did well enough on the interview, but declined the job offer. As a retaliatory measure, the recruiting company never reimbursed him for his travel expenses.
I have had a less drastic experience. I worked in the field of Time Difference of Arrival, but for radar signatures. The job called for this technique, but for oil exploration.
I was invited for an interview by a recruiter. I drove 5 hours each way, just to be asked if I have oil exploration experience, which I did not have nor claimed to have. I was rejected for the job because I did not. If this was such a strong criteria, then the recruiter should have asked me on a 5 minute phone interview before I drove down. I drove 10 hours, depreciated my car and spent other money. Moreover, the recruiter was unprepared for my arrival and had me wait in the lobby for an hour.
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Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform to name and shame on.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
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Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
8
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
29
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
|
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform to name and shame on.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
135
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
8
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
29
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform to name and shame on.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No, this is completely unacceptable. Sure, the interview didn't work out, but screwing the candidate because of that is just so, so bad.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
As a legal question which is going to depend on your jurisdiction and that of the employer. You'd need to talk to an actual lawyer.
As others have commented, independent of the legal aspect, "naming and shaming" is an option. I would very rarely advocate that behaviour, but in this case I think it's worth making other candidates aware of the risk they take interviewing with this company. However:
- Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first.
- Stack Exchange is not the platform to name and shame on.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
You can ask, at which point there are two possibilities:
- This was actually a mistake and/or more sensible heads have prevailed at the company, in which case I'd hope they'd refund your expenses and the like.
- They seriously meant to do this, in which case I doubt they'll answer.
I honestly cannot think of anything which would cause me to act in this way towards a candidate; there's plenty you could say which would cause me to terminate the interview on the spot and walk you out the door, but I'm not going to screw someone in a way which would reflect so negatively on the company for any future candidates.
answered 15 hours ago
Philip KendallPhilip Kendall
48.7k33120156
48.7k33120156
135
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
8
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
29
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
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135
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
8
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
29
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
135
135
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
Yeah if someone said something offensive to me in an interview, I’d want them on the first flight out of town, not stranded at the airport calling me repeatedly.
– AffableAmbler
14 hours ago
53
53
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
@Michael Then the company screwed up whatever checks (phone interview etc) they should have done before the in person interview. I don't care if they felt "betrayed", acting like this is just so incredibly unprofessional I can't find language to describe it.
– Philip Kendall
9 hours ago
8
8
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
@Michael even if you have felt all your expectations betrayed, that is no excuse to have a poor (in the sense of performance) candidate screwed out and stranded in an airport. You (the company) invested money in interviewing this candidate, you must fulfil your duty and have him back home. Every suggestion on "phone screening first" is a very good advice for future interviews. The whole matter, if true, sounds like personal revenge against OP.
– usr-local-ΕΨΗΕΛΩΝ
7 hours ago
29
29
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
"Make at least a nominal attempt to reconcile things with the company first." Phoning them until they claim harassment would seem to have already met the criteria for this.
– Murphy
6 hours ago
10
10
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
Finding out that someone lied on their CV (e.g. I had an interview candidate which claimed to have worked for 10 years with a technology and then during the interview found out that that simply was literally not possible) I could totally imagine some argument along the lines of "we - the company - went into this contract (the agreement to fly the candidate to us) based on fraud and thus the contract was invalid". Not implying that's the case here, but whatever happened must have been pretty bad.
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
IANA, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
7
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
5
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
6
Or, by GooglingGreyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks
– Mawg
11 hours ago
20
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
9
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
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show 14 more comments
Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
IANA, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
7
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
5
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
6
Or, by GooglingGreyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks
– Mawg
11 hours ago
20
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
9
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
|
show 14 more comments
Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
IANA, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
Be sure to post to GlassDoor, etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based which could get you sued.
Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds (especially give that "had to eat scraps from other customers").
IANA, but you might first ask a legal opinion on our sister site https://law.stackexchange.com/
answered 12 hours ago
MawgMawg
4,85411237
4,85411237
7
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
5
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
6
Or, by GooglingGreyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks
– Mawg
11 hours ago
20
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
9
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
|
show 14 more comments
7
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
5
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
6
Or, by GooglingGreyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks
– Mawg
11 hours ago
20
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
9
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
7
7
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
@Magisch IANAL, but this comes to mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel#Promissory_estoppel_2
– JAD
11 hours ago
5
5
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
@Magisch I don't know, which is why I suggest a lawyer. By a stretch of the imagination it's kidnapping & false imprisonment (in the airport). That sounds very drastic, which is why he needs a lawyer. Back from my days of studying law, a few decades back & probably in a different country, the phrase "reasonable expectation" came up a lot. And I think he had mo0re than a reasonable expectation of a return flight, which might be presumed a contract “I fly there & talk to you, and you play for it, including returning me home”. But, I never completed my law degree & the OP needs real legal advice
– Mawg
11 hours ago
6
6
Or, by Googling
Greyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks– Mawg
11 hours ago
Or, by Googling
Greyhound bus
, he might be in the UK, Australia, Canada or South Africa. OP, can you please add a country tag? Thanks– Mawg
11 hours ago
20
20
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
You say "GlassDoor, etc", but I think that this is extreme enough that the local press may be interested in the story, and would make a good addition to that list.
– Guy G
9 hours ago
9
9
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
@JoseVf That wasn't OP who made the Law.SE question.
– JMac
7 hours ago
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Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
add a comment |
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
add a comment |
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
Seriously, what the heck? Is this normal for an employer to do?
No. As far as slimy tactics by employers go, this is pretty up there. If I were you I'd name & shame them on glassdoor and the like. If they're in any sort of public spotlight the PR from that will be disastrous. Nobody wants to interview much less work for a company with that track record.
Do I have any recourse against this employer?
Thats a question for a lawyer specializing in employment law. Try to find one that offers free consultations.
The more I think about, the more I'm thinking I must have said
something offensive to somebody in an interview. Is there any way to
ask them what I said (so that I can avoid this mistake in the future)?
Even if you did, I have never heard of a employer doing this, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody actually does this. If you are an employer flying people out for interviews, you CAN NOT afford the bad publicity such a stunt will give you. Imagine what happens if a company like that invites me to an interview and I read THAT on a review site? Hard pass just on precaution.
edited 11 hours ago
answered 11 hours ago
MagischMagisch
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add a comment |
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
4
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
3
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
3
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
1
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
add a comment |
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
4
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
3
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
3
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
1
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
add a comment |
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
What the company did was in extremely poor taste, so much so, that I wonder if there might be something more happening, especially since you said you bombed the interview, both technically and personally.
In your job application, were you truthful and honest?
Did you lie or seriously exaggerate about your skills, experience or history?
Was there a phone screen before the interview trip? Why did the phone screen go well enough to merit an interview then the interview went so poorly?
Basically, if you were not the job applicant you said you are: If you lied on your resume, or had someone coach you through a phone screen, and then were discovered in the interview, I think the company would have a real right to be extremely pissed off, and possible a legal right due to fraud to claw back some of their expenditures.
If you are confident everything on your end was honest and level, and you just had a really bad interview for a job that was a poor fit, then you probably have a strong legal case and the ability to create a PR and Recruiting Nightmare for the company.
PS
If you do decide to make it a Public Relations / Recruiting Situation, you might consider making it about the individuals involved as well as the Company. Companies can be faceless, nameless, bureaucratic beasts, but if you name the HR-recruiter and Hiring Manager involved, and make them responsible for their own decisions, it might be more effective. Check with a lawyer and be careful to avoid unjust defamation.
edited 5 hours ago
answered 6 hours ago
abelenkyabelenky
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when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
4
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
3
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
3
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
1
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
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when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
4
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
3
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
3
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
1
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
when you fly out a candidate, all the money is gone in one atomic transaction. it's never coming back or half back. even if the candidate lies/cheats/etc
– sudo rm -rf slash
6 hours ago
4
4
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
@sudorm-rfslash What do you mean? In this case the company did get some money back. "The agent told me that my ticket was cancelled by the buyer for a partial refund."
– David Mulder
6 hours ago
3
3
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
I should have added "from a sane manager's perspective"... yes of course IRL you can get the money back but you should think of it as inaccessible
– sudo rm -rf slash
5 hours ago
3
3
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
even if the company ended the interview believing that they had been defrauded by the candidate, there is a proper recourse through the court system to reclaim their expenses. Vigilante justice certainly is not a justifiable response.
– Tom
5 hours ago
1
1
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
Note that the people at the company are people, too. They may have come to a conclusion after the OP left that they had been screwed over, and cancelled the return ticket as a knee-jerk reaction. The size of the company was not specified, nor the level of the position. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, by any means....
– RDFozz
2 hours ago
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Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
add a comment |
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
add a comment |
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
Is this normal for an employer to do?
I've swapped 'horror interview' stories with other developers and managers, but I've never heard of this happening.
I must have said something offensive
Maybe, but only blame yourself for blowing the interview.
Don't blame yourself for the return plane ticket fiasco.
This is likely a single person making a big mistake.
The ones that covered for that mistake afterwards (I assume you talked to multiple people there) also seem culpable to me at this point, but IANAL.
If you made offensive remarks during the interview I would want you not just out of my face, but also out of my town. I would abruptly (but politely) end the interview - it wouldn't occur to me to cancel your return flight.
If you totally lied about your experience, I might recommend to my company that we ask you to compensate us for the plane ticket and hotel. But I don't expect most companies ever would pursue it because of the bad PR that could come from it.
answered 5 hours ago
J. Chris ComptonJ. Chris Compton
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Yes, this sounds sleazy.
I have heard of similar tactics by recruiters, but in another manner.
One such thing happened to a friend who was set up by a recruiter for an interview. The company promised to reimburse him for the trip, but asked him to set it up. He did well enough on the interview, but declined the job offer. As a retaliatory measure, the recruiting company never reimbursed him for his travel expenses.
I have had a less drastic experience. I worked in the field of Time Difference of Arrival, but for radar signatures. The job called for this technique, but for oil exploration.
I was invited for an interview by a recruiter. I drove 5 hours each way, just to be asked if I have oil exploration experience, which I did not have nor claimed to have. I was rejected for the job because I did not. If this was such a strong criteria, then the recruiter should have asked me on a 5 minute phone interview before I drove down. I drove 10 hours, depreciated my car and spent other money. Moreover, the recruiter was unprepared for my arrival and had me wait in the lobby for an hour.
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Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
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Yes, this sounds sleazy.
I have heard of similar tactics by recruiters, but in another manner.
One such thing happened to a friend who was set up by a recruiter for an interview. The company promised to reimburse him for the trip, but asked him to set it up. He did well enough on the interview, but declined the job offer. As a retaliatory measure, the recruiting company never reimbursed him for his travel expenses.
I have had a less drastic experience. I worked in the field of Time Difference of Arrival, but for radar signatures. The job called for this technique, but for oil exploration.
I was invited for an interview by a recruiter. I drove 5 hours each way, just to be asked if I have oil exploration experience, which I did not have nor claimed to have. I was rejected for the job because I did not. If this was such a strong criteria, then the recruiter should have asked me on a 5 minute phone interview before I drove down. I drove 10 hours, depreciated my car and spent other money. Moreover, the recruiter was unprepared for my arrival and had me wait in the lobby for an hour.
New contributor
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Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Yes, this sounds sleazy.
I have heard of similar tactics by recruiters, but in another manner.
One such thing happened to a friend who was set up by a recruiter for an interview. The company promised to reimburse him for the trip, but asked him to set it up. He did well enough on the interview, but declined the job offer. As a retaliatory measure, the recruiting company never reimbursed him for his travel expenses.
I have had a less drastic experience. I worked in the field of Time Difference of Arrival, but for radar signatures. The job called for this technique, but for oil exploration.
I was invited for an interview by a recruiter. I drove 5 hours each way, just to be asked if I have oil exploration experience, which I did not have nor claimed to have. I was rejected for the job because I did not. If this was such a strong criteria, then the recruiter should have asked me on a 5 minute phone interview before I drove down. I drove 10 hours, depreciated my car and spent other money. Moreover, the recruiter was unprepared for my arrival and had me wait in the lobby for an hour.
New contributor
Yes, this sounds sleazy.
I have heard of similar tactics by recruiters, but in another manner.
One such thing happened to a friend who was set up by a recruiter for an interview. The company promised to reimburse him for the trip, but asked him to set it up. He did well enough on the interview, but declined the job offer. As a retaliatory measure, the recruiting company never reimbursed him for his travel expenses.
I have had a less drastic experience. I worked in the field of Time Difference of Arrival, but for radar signatures. The job called for this technique, but for oil exploration.
I was invited for an interview by a recruiter. I drove 5 hours each way, just to be asked if I have oil exploration experience, which I did not have nor claimed to have. I was rejected for the job because I did not. If this was such a strong criteria, then the recruiter should have asked me on a 5 minute phone interview before I drove down. I drove 10 hours, depreciated my car and spent other money. Moreover, the recruiter was unprepared for my arrival and had me wait in the lobby for an hour.
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answered 2 hours ago
user3845896user3845896
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Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
add a comment |
9
Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
9
9
Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
Although I believe these accounts of your stories could be nice on a forum, it doesn't seem to suit as an answer to OP questions. I think that's why you got downvoted, whoever that person might be.
– Clockwork
1 hour ago
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That's a straight up awful thing to do. Fly out candidates and cancel on them if you decide you are not hiring them, to save on that plane ticket? Better be prepared for the candidate talking about their experience interviewing with your company with their network.
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What's the name of the company?
– dwjohnston
15 hours ago
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That is truly horrific. I am so sorry that this happened to you, in my 25+ year career to date, I have never heard of anything like this happening :( They should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
– Jane S♦
15 hours ago
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Be sure to post to GlassDoor etc, but be absolutely sure to post only the exact truth, with nothing opinion based. Do that - after you have found a lawyer; most will give a free consultation if they are fairly sure of a win, for which you probably have grounds
– Mawg
12 hours ago
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If you want to name-and-shame, you could also call local newspapers and TV stations. Most of them would give their left arm to cover a story like this.
– Moyli
8 hours ago