What happens if a creature draws a Frost Brand sword when breathed upon by a fire-breathing dragon?












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Frost brand weapons have the following property if attuned:




When you draw this weapon, you can extinguish all nonmagical flames within 30 feet of you. This property can be used no more than once per hour.




According to the Sage Advice Compendium, a dragon's breath weapon is mechanically considered non-magical.



If a creature attuned to a frost brand readies an action to draw it when breathed on by an enemy fire dragon, what happens when the dragon breathes?




  1. The breath gets extinguished (thus not affecting the frost brand-wielding creature)

  2. The breath weapon works as normal, since it doesn't really emit "flames" in game terms






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    Frost brand weapons have the following property if attuned:




    When you draw this weapon, you can extinguish all nonmagical flames within 30 feet of you. This property can be used no more than once per hour.




    According to the Sage Advice Compendium, a dragon's breath weapon is mechanically considered non-magical.



    If a creature attuned to a frost brand readies an action to draw it when breathed on by an enemy fire dragon, what happens when the dragon breathes?




    1. The breath gets extinguished (thus not affecting the frost brand-wielding creature)

    2. The breath weapon works as normal, since it doesn't really emit "flames" in game terms






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      Frost brand weapons have the following property if attuned:




      When you draw this weapon, you can extinguish all nonmagical flames within 30 feet of you. This property can be used no more than once per hour.




      According to the Sage Advice Compendium, a dragon's breath weapon is mechanically considered non-magical.



      If a creature attuned to a frost brand readies an action to draw it when breathed on by an enemy fire dragon, what happens when the dragon breathes?




      1. The breath gets extinguished (thus not affecting the frost brand-wielding creature)

      2. The breath weapon works as normal, since it doesn't really emit "flames" in game terms






      dnd-5e magic-items dragons breath-weapon







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      Frost brand weapons have the following property if attuned:




      When you draw this weapon, you can extinguish all nonmagical flames within 30 feet of you. This property can be used no more than once per hour.




      According to the Sage Advice Compendium, a dragon's breath weapon is mechanically considered non-magical.



      If a creature attuned to a frost brand readies an action to draw it when breathed on by an enemy fire dragon, what happens when the dragon breathes?




      1. The breath gets extinguished (thus not affecting the frost brand-wielding creature)

      2. The breath weapon works as normal, since it doesn't really emit "flames" in game terms






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          Neither - Readied actions come after their triggers



          The character Readied an action to draw the weapon and set the trigger to be when breathed upon with a breath weapon by the dragon. Unfortunately for the character, readied actions happen after their triggers.




          When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger.




          Thus, the breath weapon would hit and its effects resolved. Then, the readied action happens and the weapon is drawn. Too late, unfortunately, to stop the breath weapon which is already gone now.



          There is no valid trigger that works for this



          Any readied action you could set would either take place before the breath attack occurred (doing nothing to it) or after (also doing nothing to it per the above). There is no trigger that you can set that would allow you to (potentially) interrupt the actual attack by drawing your blade during the attack itself.



          A fire-breathing dragon breathes actual fire



          If you look at red dragons' breath weapon ability - for instance, a red dragon wyrmling's Fire Breath action - it says:




          The dragon exhales fire in a 15-foot cone.




          Fire and flame are synonymous; thus, if you had some sort of effect that continuously extinguished flame, a dragon's fire breath would also be extinguished if used while the effect was active.






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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
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            – Gael L
            48 mins ago










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            @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
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            @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
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            38 mins ago






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            @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
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            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
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          3. The breath weapon resolves, then gets extinguished



          A Readied action takes place after its trigger finishes. If you Ready an action to draw the weapon with the trigger "when it uses its breath weapon", then the extinguishing power from the frost brand applies only after the breath resolves (i.e. after rolling the save and taking damage).






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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
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            @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
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          Neither - Readied actions come after their triggers



          The character Readied an action to draw the weapon and set the trigger to be when breathed upon with a breath weapon by the dragon. Unfortunately for the character, readied actions happen after their triggers.




          When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger.




          Thus, the breath weapon would hit and its effects resolved. Then, the readied action happens and the weapon is drawn. Too late, unfortunately, to stop the breath weapon which is already gone now.



          There is no valid trigger that works for this



          Any readied action you could set would either take place before the breath attack occurred (doing nothing to it) or after (also doing nothing to it per the above). There is no trigger that you can set that would allow you to (potentially) interrupt the actual attack by drawing your blade during the attack itself.



          A fire-breathing dragon breathes actual fire



          If you look at red dragons' breath weapon ability - for instance, a red dragon wyrmling's Fire Breath action - it says:




          The dragon exhales fire in a 15-foot cone.




          Fire and flame are synonymous; thus, if you had some sort of effect that continuously extinguished flame, a dragon's fire breath would also be extinguished if used while the effect was active.






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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
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            – Gael L
            48 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
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            @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
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            @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
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            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
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          Neither - Readied actions come after their triggers



          The character Readied an action to draw the weapon and set the trigger to be when breathed upon with a breath weapon by the dragon. Unfortunately for the character, readied actions happen after their triggers.




          When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger.




          Thus, the breath weapon would hit and its effects resolved. Then, the readied action happens and the weapon is drawn. Too late, unfortunately, to stop the breath weapon which is already gone now.



          There is no valid trigger that works for this



          Any readied action you could set would either take place before the breath attack occurred (doing nothing to it) or after (also doing nothing to it per the above). There is no trigger that you can set that would allow you to (potentially) interrupt the actual attack by drawing your blade during the attack itself.



          A fire-breathing dragon breathes actual fire



          If you look at red dragons' breath weapon ability - for instance, a red dragon wyrmling's Fire Breath action - it says:




          The dragon exhales fire in a 15-foot cone.




          Fire and flame are synonymous; thus, if you had some sort of effect that continuously extinguished flame, a dragon's fire breath would also be extinguished if used while the effect was active.






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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            48 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            45 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
            $endgroup$
            – V2Blast
            13 mins ago














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          $begingroup$

          Neither - Readied actions come after their triggers



          The character Readied an action to draw the weapon and set the trigger to be when breathed upon with a breath weapon by the dragon. Unfortunately for the character, readied actions happen after their triggers.




          When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger.




          Thus, the breath weapon would hit and its effects resolved. Then, the readied action happens and the weapon is drawn. Too late, unfortunately, to stop the breath weapon which is already gone now.



          There is no valid trigger that works for this



          Any readied action you could set would either take place before the breath attack occurred (doing nothing to it) or after (also doing nothing to it per the above). There is no trigger that you can set that would allow you to (potentially) interrupt the actual attack by drawing your blade during the attack itself.



          A fire-breathing dragon breathes actual fire



          If you look at red dragons' breath weapon ability - for instance, a red dragon wyrmling's Fire Breath action - it says:




          The dragon exhales fire in a 15-foot cone.




          Fire and flame are synonymous; thus, if you had some sort of effect that continuously extinguished flame, a dragon's fire breath would also be extinguished if used while the effect was active.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Neither - Readied actions come after their triggers



          The character Readied an action to draw the weapon and set the trigger to be when breathed upon with a breath weapon by the dragon. Unfortunately for the character, readied actions happen after their triggers.




          When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger.




          Thus, the breath weapon would hit and its effects resolved. Then, the readied action happens and the weapon is drawn. Too late, unfortunately, to stop the breath weapon which is already gone now.



          There is no valid trigger that works for this



          Any readied action you could set would either take place before the breath attack occurred (doing nothing to it) or after (also doing nothing to it per the above). There is no trigger that you can set that would allow you to (potentially) interrupt the actual attack by drawing your blade during the attack itself.



          A fire-breathing dragon breathes actual fire



          If you look at red dragons' breath weapon ability - for instance, a red dragon wyrmling's Fire Breath action - it says:




          The dragon exhales fire in a 15-foot cone.




          Fire and flame are synonymous; thus, if you had some sort of effect that continuously extinguished flame, a dragon's fire breath would also be extinguished if used while the effect was active.







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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            48 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
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          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            $begingroup$
            @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
            $endgroup$
            – V2Blast
            13 mins ago


















          • $begingroup$
            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            48 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            45 mins ago












          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






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            @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
            $endgroup$
            – Rubiksmoose
            38 mins ago






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
            $endgroup$
            – V2Blast
            13 mins ago
















          $begingroup$
          Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          48 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          48 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          45 mins ago






          $begingroup$
          @Rubiksmoose Now to be fair, I asked X to solve Y (a bad idea). The item I should have asked for does not exist in Dnd 5e by default, but does exist in Adventurers League. It is called the Aegis of the Raven Queen, a +3 Shield which passively has the above frostbrand property (always on). I think I will ask a separate question for it.... Unless I should simply edit this question ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          45 mins ago














          $begingroup$
          @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
          $endgroup$
          – Rubiksmoose
          38 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @GaelL At this point, asking a new question is the best way to go. Sorry to kind of shoot the idea down with an unrelated mechanic. Was considering adding an actual answer to the question if it was even possible to do per your idea but I simply don't think it is. I may add a part about dragon fire though if I can find the info.
          $endgroup$
          – Rubiksmoose
          38 mins ago




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          @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
          $endgroup$
          – Rubiksmoose
          38 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @Token per my last section (added after you commented) there is simply no trigger that will work here.
          $endgroup$
          – Rubiksmoose
          38 mins ago




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
          $endgroup$
          – V2Blast
          13 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @GaelL: This question's still useful to have around - I'm sure someone has wondered about something similar before, and/or will do so in the future. :)
          $endgroup$
          – V2Blast
          13 mins ago













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          3. The breath weapon resolves, then gets extinguished



          A Readied action takes place after its trigger finishes. If you Ready an action to draw the weapon with the trigger "when it uses its breath weapon", then the extinguishing power from the frost brand applies only after the breath resolves (i.e. after rolling the save and taking damage).






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            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            49 mins ago










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            @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
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            44 mins ago
















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          $begingroup$

          3. The breath weapon resolves, then gets extinguished



          A Readied action takes place after its trigger finishes. If you Ready an action to draw the weapon with the trigger "when it uses its breath weapon", then the extinguishing power from the frost brand applies only after the breath resolves (i.e. after rolling the save and taking damage).






          share|improve this answer











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          • $begingroup$
            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            49 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
            $endgroup$
            – Vylix
            44 mins ago














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          $begingroup$

          3. The breath weapon resolves, then gets extinguished



          A Readied action takes place after its trigger finishes. If you Ready an action to draw the weapon with the trigger "when it uses its breath weapon", then the extinguishing power from the frost brand applies only after the breath resolves (i.e. after rolling the save and taking damage).






          share|improve this answer











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          3. The breath weapon resolves, then gets extinguished



          A Readied action takes place after its trigger finishes. If you Ready an action to draw the weapon with the trigger "when it uses its breath weapon", then the extinguishing power from the frost brand applies only after the breath resolves (i.e. after rolling the save and taking damage).







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          • $begingroup$
            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            49 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
            $endgroup$
            – Vylix
            44 mins ago


















          • $begingroup$
            Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
            $endgroup$
            – Gael L
            49 mins ago










          • $begingroup$
            @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
            $endgroup$
            – Vylix
            44 mins ago
















          $begingroup$
          Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          49 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          Would it be possible for the Readied action to be defined to properly emulate the above scenario ?
          $endgroup$
          – Gael L
          49 mins ago












          $begingroup$
          @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
          $endgroup$
          – Vylix
          44 mins ago




          $begingroup$
          @GaelL i dont think so. Readied action requires perceptible condition. When you see the flames, the dragon already uses its breath weapon and it resolves first, you can't interrupt it. Any earlier, the flames doesn't exist.
          $endgroup$
          – Vylix
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