Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after a raise?
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I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now, as a software developer. It is a medium to big company, with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and in pretty pleasant in general, expect the pay. My initial salary was about 30% off the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.
With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that i was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil, and I'm considering as an option. Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?
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Some context:
I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now, as a software developer. It is a medium to big company, with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and in pretty pleasant in general, expect the pay. My initial salary was about 30% off the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.
With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that i was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil, and I'm considering as an option. Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?
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It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
3 hours ago
1
Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago
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Some context:
I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now, as a software developer. It is a medium to big company, with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and in pretty pleasant in general, expect the pay. My initial salary was about 30% off the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.
With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that i was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil, and I'm considering as an option. Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?
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Some context:
I've worked at my current company for about 2 years now, as a software developer. It is a medium to big company, with a solid grasp on the market. Also, it is a really cool workplace and in pretty pleasant in general, expect the pay. My initial salary was about 30% off the average where I live. Recently, I started looking for other job opportunities and got a offer to join a startup. The salary there is right around the average, so 30% more than my current salary.
With this offer, I approached my manager and told him that I was considering leaving, and that the money was the decisive, and only, reason. He quickly asked for a number and said he would get it done by the end of the week, which he actually did. He said that i was a very valuable member to the team, and that they could not afford to lose me for something so small as a raise. During the weekend though, I received another offer from a different company, and the salary is around 30% more than I get even with the raise. The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil, and I'm considering as an option. Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?
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It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
3 hours ago
1
Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago
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It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
3 hours ago
1
Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago
It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
3 hours ago
It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
3 hours ago
1
1
Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago
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Simply state,
"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"
End of story.
This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.
As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.
Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.
Done!
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
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Communicate.
Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining
The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil
You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.
To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.
You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
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Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
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You might burn a bridge in this case.
You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.
Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
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The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
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You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.
If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.
answered 3 hours ago
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Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
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Simply state,
"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"
End of story.
This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.
As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.
Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.
Done!
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Simply state,
"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"
End of story.
This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.
As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.
Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.
Done!
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Simply state,
"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"
End of story.
This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.
As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.
Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.
Done!
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
Simply state,
"Boss, you wouldn't believe it. I'm making 6. You kindly offered me 7. Out of the blue on the weekend XYZ offered me 8! No kidding - here, you can see the offer. I want you to understand I'm NOT trying to play you for more money. I am definitely taking the "8" offer. Thanks for the great years! Have another Caipirinha man!"
End of story.
This is totally and completely uninteresting in the world of software. No issues.
As you say you don't want to "be rude" so just make it totally clear that you are NOT looking for yet another offer.
Your old boss will appreciate you being decisive, truthful, frank and crisp.
Done!
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
answered 3 hours ago
FattieFattie
8,76731631
8,76731631
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
add a comment |
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
why can't he open the negotiation with his current company after he got a better offer? is this somehow unprofessional?
– Homerothompson
3 hours ago
2
2
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
And perhaps have a Caipirinha before he goes to talk to his boss, to settle the nerves. :-)
– Peter K.
3 hours ago
1
1
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
@Homerothompson (1) the current company is a KNOWN LOW-PAYER. what OP must do is RUN. (2) actually YES, it would be uncool to "make it a negotiation". firmly state you are leaving. OK, maybe incredibly they will come back with yet another offer, but there is no chance of that in reality so don't "make it a negotiation". Take the high ground and state you are leaving.
– Fattie
2 hours ago
1
1
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
Their boss will also appreciate them not trying to gauge them for more money right after they did give them what OP asked for few days before since OP is concerned with not burning bridges also. For once I ll agree with @Fattie
– Leon
2 hours ago
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Communicate.
Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining
The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil
You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.
To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.
You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Communicate.
Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining
The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil
You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.
To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.
You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Communicate.
Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining
The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil
You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.
To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.
You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
Communicate.
Talk to your manager and explain again that you have had an even better offer. Show him proof if needed (and willing of course). He may say he'll match it, you may be able to negotiate higher e.g. 10% but you still have to make the choice, Is that 10% more important or is joining
The company is regarded as the best tech company to work on Brasil
You need to decide whether you enjoy your current job/role enough to stay and potentially negotiate an even higher salary. Or get this massive opportunity on your resume. With your statement above I assume this company has good reputation and is highly commendable as a company.
To me, your current company will not likely increase your salary above the offer. Maybe match it, but not top it. Then you also have the reputation of this company behind you. To me it's an obvious choice on what I would be choosing.
You won't be burning any bridges at all, your manager will understand why you have made the choice. If they can't beat the offer they have to let you go. Your manager clearly thinks highly of you so you will still have that strong relationship between yourselves if ever required for whatever reason.
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
edited 2 hours ago
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
answered 3 hours ago
TwyxzTwyxz
8,02662958
8,02662958
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
|
show 4 more comments
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
Feels kinda dishonest to go back for more when you just did that. Imo its either leave or stay as is. OP would be the first one on the chopping board for replacement asap if he tries to pull this twice, let alone twice in a row.
– Leon
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
@Leon How is it dishonest? The newer offer will have a date and a salary. The manager will clearly see that it's not made up. You'll cause more damage if you just leave. Especially when OP stated that the only reason he was debating leaving was because of the money and only the money. Now the manager matched it and he's still leaving?
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
1
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
@Leon I disagree...it's not dishonesty. How long do you feel is appropriate enough to take the decision of leaving after a raise? A month? Two? Six months? A year? It's subjective and varies.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
1
1
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
@Leon Both options are valid options. I wouldn't say Fattie's answer is particularly bad. Just not my choice of play based off the relationship and respect that OP has with their manager.
– Twyxz
2 hours ago
1
1
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
@Leon I do not see the difference between (1) accepting raise and leaving and (2) accepting raise and asking for raise again. In both the cases, you are defying the cause of the first raise, so I dont see how they may appear any different. Rather, asking for another raise may depict that you are still interested in the organization and the work / role - it's just that you have a higher market value and if the organization values you, they should match your expectations.
– Sourav Ghosh
2 hours ago
|
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You might burn a bridge in this case.
You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.
Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
add a comment |
You might burn a bridge in this case.
You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.
Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
add a comment |
You might burn a bridge in this case.
You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.
Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
You might burn a bridge in this case.
You gave your manager a specific number so that he could retain you ( you mentioned to him that money is the only reason for you considering leaving ). He then promised to give you exactly what you asked for and delivered on his promise ( who knows how many hoops he had to go through to fulfill your request ). And now you will go to him and tell him that money actually wasn't the only thing that mattered.
I can see some managers being upset at losing an employee in this manner.
Regardless, I don't think that burning bridges matters much in this case. A substantially better opportunity has come along ( best tech company and much better pay ) and those opportunities don't come around frequently. I would take that offer even if it means burning a bridge with your current manager. He may be upset, but at the end of the day he will understand that you made the right decision.
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
answered 1 hour ago
sf02sf02
4,3152520
4,3152520
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
add a comment |
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
The new offer is from a completely different company. The first offer was just more money ("I like working here, but the pay sucks"). The second is (even) more money and prestige ("I like working here, the pay is about average, but wait what, Google wants me for 30% more than I'm making now? Yes please!"). A second pay raise to match the second offer might be enough to keep you around, but you know you aren't likely to get it as you just got one.
– Draco18s
12 mins ago
add a comment |
You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.
If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.
answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
111
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Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
add a comment |
You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.
If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.
answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
111
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Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
add a comment |
You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.
If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.
answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
111
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You won't burn any bridges. When people start looking around for options, this is not uncommon to happen.
If you ever go back to the company (which rarely happens) or for the same boss in a different company (also rare), you'll be considered for your merits and this incident won't matter. Go ahead and take the best offer you can get.
answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
111
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answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
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answered 3 hours ago
kreshokresho
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answered 3 hours ago
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Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
Also, don't ask your current employer to simply match the new offer. Ask 10% over that and see what happens. You have nothing to lose.
– kresho
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
That comment seems to be part of the answer - I'd edit that in to it :) Welcome to the site! Thanks for contributing.
– Erik
3 hours ago
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It is completely and totally normal and expected, that, staff leave immediately after getting a raise. it is literally "when staff leave". It would be like asking "is it unusual to not work on Sunday" :)
– Fattie
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Burn a bridge to where? Returning to the employer you are leaving? Do you really care about keeping that option open, if money is leading in your pick of employer?
– Abigail
3 hours ago
"Will I burn a bridge by leaving right after asking for a substantial raise so i would not leave?" - probably. You can only go to the "pay me more because someone else will" well so many times before the company decides to stop playing that game. You need to decide if you care or not.
– Joe Strazzere
1 hour ago
What you can take from these events is that your current company isn't paying you what you're worth. They only match what others are willing to pay. You should be worth more to your current company than to any other company, because of your in-depth knowledge of the company and their product and team and internals and whatnot. But they lowball you, reluctantly matching what others are willing to pay, and for just this, I would already leave them.
– Alexander
19 mins ago