Does the Brexit deal being voted down imply that Brexit is not going to happen?
Just looking at the TV and I am seeing that the British Parliament rejected the Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple sources show this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when the UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
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Just looking at the TV and I am seeing that the British Parliament rejected the Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple sources show this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when the UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
united-kingdom brexit parliament
edited 12 mins ago
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asked 23 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
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@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
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@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
1
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
1
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago
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Just looking at the TV and I am seeing that the British Parliament rejected the Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple sources show this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when the UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
united-kingdom brexit parliament
edited 12 mins ago
Community♦
1
asked 23 hours ago
AlexeiAlexei
15.6k1890168
Just looking at the TV and I am seeing that the British Parliament rejected the Brexit deal (cannot find an online source yet for this, although multiple sources show this vote result as very plausible).
Does this mean that Brexit is not going to happen or is this only one of the possible scenarios in the near future?
An answer to this question is interesting especially when the UK can legally cancel the Brexit process.
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united-kingdom brexit parliament
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asked 23 hours ago
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asked 23 hours ago
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asked 23 hours ago
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
9
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
1
@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
1
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
1
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
9
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
1
@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
1
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
1
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago
1
1
I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
9
9
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
1
1
@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
1
1
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
1
1
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
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No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 22 hours ago
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It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 22 hours ago
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There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 23 hours ago
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 23 hours ago
ouflakouflak
54027
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Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
answered 23 hours ago
ouflakouflak
54027
Parliament has already voted on Article 50 and Article 50 has already been invoked. If nothing else happens between now and March 29th, EU membership ends for the UK. That was the case whether this vote took place or not. So that's the simplest answer with what is known to factually and legally be in place at this time. Anything else borders on wild speculation.
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No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
add a comment |
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,449323
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
add a comment |
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
1,449323
No, it does not. Under the European Union (Withdrawal) Act, 2018, the UK will still leave the EU on 29 March at 23:00 GMT. Only a further Act of Parliament to amend it will change this, and as of this writing, there is currently no Bill active in the Commons to do this.
answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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answered 22 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
add a comment |
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
It might be worth referring to the specific "meaningful vote" section of the act (section 13) as well.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
As far as I can see, Section 13 doesn't make any mention of "exit day". Which would therefore confirm that it doesn't change as a result of this vote.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
4
4
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
Indeed. Although it does guarantee there will be an open motion brought by a government minister within 21 days (actually on Monday 21st January [for Reasons]) onto which members of the house will attempt to hang all kinds of interesting amendments.
– origimbo
21 hours ago
1
1
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
Yes, though these potential amendments fall outside the scope of this question. They may become relevant to a similar question next week, though, depending on what happens then.
– Joe C
21 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
3
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
|
show 7 more comments
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
3
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
|
show 7 more comments
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
Assuming a government can be formed after tomorrows' vote of no confidence or the the vote fails. Under the recent amendment controversially allowed by the speaker the prime minister will be required to go back to the house with a new plan or plans for consideration. with that said the PM may still try to continue with a version of the current arrangement.
The following options exist
- Brexit is delayed until a deal can be reached that parliament can agree on (or for as long as the EU will allow it if they will at all).
- No agreement will be reached and the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of march. Note this is currently the default position.
- Parliament will pass a bill to withdraw article 50 and the UK will reamain in the EU (IMO it seems like this might happen so that brexit can be retried with more proper understanding of what is possible etc)
- Parliament will eventually agree to the current deal (given the scale of the defeat this may be unlikely)
In order to reach one of the above there may well be a referendum either considering no deal brexit v the current deal or no deal brexit v the current deal v remain. There may also be a general election if the vote of no confidence is successful.
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
answered 22 hours ago
Steve SmithSteve Smith
1,720216
1,720216
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There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
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There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
3
3
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
There is a fifth option that somehow a whole new withdrawal is negotiated before 11pm (UK time) on the 29th and voted through by parliament. This is almost certainly cloudcuckooland, but it might just be conceivable for a government of national unity with different red lines than Mrs May's administration.
– origimbo
22 hours ago
2
2
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
@origimbo - Or Mrs May could simply prorogue (suspend) Parliament until March 30th, thus neatly dealing with any opposition. Unlikely to happen, but not beyond the realms of reality
– Valorum
20 hours ago
1
1
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
A delay is very unlikely as there will be elections to the European Parliament starting on 2019-05-23 and a delay of Brexit would complicate them tremendously.
– Martin Schröder
19 hours ago
1
1
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
@gerrit: although the original press release of the EUCJ about the Advocate's opinion talked about good faith, the actual judgment does not and in fact explains why revoking it is even possible in bad faith; see article 68 of curia.europa.eu/juris/document/… ; when article 50 was drafted the sovereignty of the state that triggered a50 was deemed more important than preventing the risk of abuse.
– RemcoGerlich
8 hours ago
2
2
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
@Valorum It's already been decided that and deal must have the blessing of Parliament; as per section 13. Suspending Parliament doesn't remove anything other than the possibility of a deal.
– UKMonkey
5 hours ago
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I've voted to close this as off-topic because you're asking about the broad spectrum of future events that may fall out from the vote on the plan. There branch cases for what could now happen with brexit are multitudinous.
– Drunk Cynic
23 hours ago
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@DrunkCynic - I am asking if Parliament's decision involves (logically / legally) that Brexit is not going to happen or there are many other possibilities. Your comment suggests that the answer to my question is: no, this does not mean that Brexit process is automatically cancelled.
– Alexei
23 hours ago
1
@DrunkCynic The core of the question is whether the Parliament vote concerns the terms of the deal or the Brexit itself, which makes it pretty narrow and definitely answerable.
– Dmitry Grigoryev
10 hours ago
1
@MartijnHeemels - yes, I have edited it. Thanks.
– Alexei
9 hours ago
1
Let us hope and pray that my definitely-not-a-slave friends across the pond start to understand how much they don't want to undo the progress of World War 2.
– Spencer Williams
2 hours ago