“Tea drinking” vs. “tea drunk” in this context
Which of these two is preferred?
A: Tea drinking is a British custom
B: Tea drunk is a British custom
P.S. What is it called when we say tea drinking instead of drinking tea?
Also, can we say the "tea drunk" sentence without beginning with "the"?
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Which of these two is preferred?
A: Tea drinking is a British custom
B: Tea drunk is a British custom
P.S. What is it called when we say tea drinking instead of drinking tea?
Also, can we say the "tea drunk" sentence without beginning with "the"?
past-tense word-order gerunds past-simple
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British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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Which of these two is preferred?
A: Tea drinking is a British custom
B: Tea drunk is a British custom
P.S. What is it called when we say tea drinking instead of drinking tea?
Also, can we say the "tea drunk" sentence without beginning with "the"?
past-tense word-order gerunds past-simple
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Which of these two is preferred?
A: Tea drinking is a British custom
B: Tea drunk is a British custom
P.S. What is it called when we say tea drinking instead of drinking tea?
Also, can we say the "tea drunk" sentence without beginning with "the"?
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British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
8 mins ago
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British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
8 mins ago
2
2
British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
8 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
8 mins ago
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Tea drinking and drinking tea are both phrases that refer to the custom of consuming a beverage made by immersing the leaves of certain plants in hot water. The gerund drinking fits equally well before or after tea.
Tea drunk uses the past participle of drink to refer to tea that has been consumed.
For example:
Tea drinking (or drinking tea) is widely recognised as bringing health benefits.
and
The amount of tea drunk has increased since its health benefits were recognised.
Thus the first of your examples is correct. The second is not.
It's not grammatical to say that tea drunk is a British custom.
Yes, you can begin a sentence with tea drunk:
Tea drunk without sugar is better for you.
meaning that tea consumed without sugar is better for you.
Equally, you might write:
Drinking tea without sugar is better for you.
whereas to write
Tea drinking without sugar is better for you
is NOT idiomatic.
1
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
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"Tea drunk" is not an idiom, and only makes sense with the meaning "[some] tea [which has been] drunk".
"Tea drinking" is a noun phrase, and its head is the verbal noun (gerund) "drinking". I would be inclined to hyphenate it ("tea-drinking").
"Drinking tea" is a full non-finite clause, which still has verbal qualities. For example, you can modify it with an adverb ("slowly drinking tea"), or elaborate the object ("drinking several cups of very hot tea").
"Tea-drinking" is a noun phrase where most of the verbal qualities have been leached out, so you can't do those things.
1
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
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There is another use of the phrase "tea drunk", which has its origins in Chinese, as 茶醉 (cha zui, which literally translates to "tea drunk"). It's a state of being, named because it's similar to being drunk on alcohol, with symptoms including dizziness, weakness, and nausea. In this case, "drunk" is a noun and "tea" is an adjective specifying the type of drunkenness, similar to phrases such as "wine drunk" or "liquor drunk."
Example B would still not be correct with this interpretation, as it's not an activity that can be a custom. However, one could say something like "If you drink tea too quickly, you could get tea drunk."
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Usable patterns:
- Drinking tea is nice.
- Tea drinking is a custom in some countries.
- Answering questions is difficult.
- Playing tennis is boring.
Tea drinking is subject matter. Drinking tea is the actual activity.
All those are activities. In English, we use gerunds as nouns all the time. Here they are all the subject of the sentences I have provided. Knowing that might be helpful to you. In this last case, "knowing that" is the subject made up of a non-action verb that can take a direct object.
Drinking too much is not good for you. [drinking, as in drinking alcohol]
Drinking wine with friends can be amusing.
Another usable pattern, past participle + prepositional phrase, used adjectivally:
The tea ||drunk at the gathering|| was from Japan.
The movie ||viewed at the conference|| was terrible.
The man ||seen on the bus|| was the spy.
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Tea drinking and drinking tea are both phrases that refer to the custom of consuming a beverage made by immersing the leaves of certain plants in hot water. The gerund drinking fits equally well before or after tea.
Tea drunk uses the past participle of drink to refer to tea that has been consumed.
For example:
Tea drinking (or drinking tea) is widely recognised as bringing health benefits.
and
The amount of tea drunk has increased since its health benefits were recognised.
Thus the first of your examples is correct. The second is not.
It's not grammatical to say that tea drunk is a British custom.
Yes, you can begin a sentence with tea drunk:
Tea drunk without sugar is better for you.
meaning that tea consumed without sugar is better for you.
Equally, you might write:
Drinking tea without sugar is better for you.
whereas to write
Tea drinking without sugar is better for you
is NOT idiomatic.
1
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
add a comment |
Tea drinking and drinking tea are both phrases that refer to the custom of consuming a beverage made by immersing the leaves of certain plants in hot water. The gerund drinking fits equally well before or after tea.
Tea drunk uses the past participle of drink to refer to tea that has been consumed.
For example:
Tea drinking (or drinking tea) is widely recognised as bringing health benefits.
and
The amount of tea drunk has increased since its health benefits were recognised.
Thus the first of your examples is correct. The second is not.
It's not grammatical to say that tea drunk is a British custom.
Yes, you can begin a sentence with tea drunk:
Tea drunk without sugar is better for you.
meaning that tea consumed without sugar is better for you.
Equally, you might write:
Drinking tea without sugar is better for you.
whereas to write
Tea drinking without sugar is better for you
is NOT idiomatic.
1
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
add a comment |
Tea drinking and drinking tea are both phrases that refer to the custom of consuming a beverage made by immersing the leaves of certain plants in hot water. The gerund drinking fits equally well before or after tea.
Tea drunk uses the past participle of drink to refer to tea that has been consumed.
For example:
Tea drinking (or drinking tea) is widely recognised as bringing health benefits.
and
The amount of tea drunk has increased since its health benefits were recognised.
Thus the first of your examples is correct. The second is not.
It's not grammatical to say that tea drunk is a British custom.
Yes, you can begin a sentence with tea drunk:
Tea drunk without sugar is better for you.
meaning that tea consumed without sugar is better for you.
Equally, you might write:
Drinking tea without sugar is better for you.
whereas to write
Tea drinking without sugar is better for you
is NOT idiomatic.
Tea drinking and drinking tea are both phrases that refer to the custom of consuming a beverage made by immersing the leaves of certain plants in hot water. The gerund drinking fits equally well before or after tea.
Tea drunk uses the past participle of drink to refer to tea that has been consumed.
For example:
Tea drinking (or drinking tea) is widely recognised as bringing health benefits.
and
The amount of tea drunk has increased since its health benefits were recognised.
Thus the first of your examples is correct. The second is not.
It's not grammatical to say that tea drunk is a British custom.
Yes, you can begin a sentence with tea drunk:
Tea drunk without sugar is better for you.
meaning that tea consumed without sugar is better for you.
Equally, you might write:
Drinking tea without sugar is better for you.
whereas to write
Tea drinking without sugar is better for you
is NOT idiomatic.
answered 12 hours ago
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I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
add a comment |
1
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
1
1
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
I guess "teat drunk" is not a phrase or idiom. In your examples, drunk as the shortening for which was/has been drunk followed tea
– Ahmad
5 hours ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
@Ahmad Exactly!
– Ronald Sole
2 mins ago
add a comment |
"Tea drunk" is not an idiom, and only makes sense with the meaning "[some] tea [which has been] drunk".
"Tea drinking" is a noun phrase, and its head is the verbal noun (gerund) "drinking". I would be inclined to hyphenate it ("tea-drinking").
"Drinking tea" is a full non-finite clause, which still has verbal qualities. For example, you can modify it with an adverb ("slowly drinking tea"), or elaborate the object ("drinking several cups of very hot tea").
"Tea-drinking" is a noun phrase where most of the verbal qualities have been leached out, so you can't do those things.
1
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
add a comment |
"Tea drunk" is not an idiom, and only makes sense with the meaning "[some] tea [which has been] drunk".
"Tea drinking" is a noun phrase, and its head is the verbal noun (gerund) "drinking". I would be inclined to hyphenate it ("tea-drinking").
"Drinking tea" is a full non-finite clause, which still has verbal qualities. For example, you can modify it with an adverb ("slowly drinking tea"), or elaborate the object ("drinking several cups of very hot tea").
"Tea-drinking" is a noun phrase where most of the verbal qualities have been leached out, so you can't do those things.
1
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
add a comment |
"Tea drunk" is not an idiom, and only makes sense with the meaning "[some] tea [which has been] drunk".
"Tea drinking" is a noun phrase, and its head is the verbal noun (gerund) "drinking". I would be inclined to hyphenate it ("tea-drinking").
"Drinking tea" is a full non-finite clause, which still has verbal qualities. For example, you can modify it with an adverb ("slowly drinking tea"), or elaborate the object ("drinking several cups of very hot tea").
"Tea-drinking" is a noun phrase where most of the verbal qualities have been leached out, so you can't do those things.
"Tea drunk" is not an idiom, and only makes sense with the meaning "[some] tea [which has been] drunk".
"Tea drinking" is a noun phrase, and its head is the verbal noun (gerund) "drinking". I would be inclined to hyphenate it ("tea-drinking").
"Drinking tea" is a full non-finite clause, which still has verbal qualities. For example, you can modify it with an adverb ("slowly drinking tea"), or elaborate the object ("drinking several cups of very hot tea").
"Tea-drinking" is a noun phrase where most of the verbal qualities have been leached out, so you can't do those things.
answered 12 hours ago
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I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
add a comment |
1
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
1
1
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
I think the standard advice on hyphens is to include them only when the noun phrase is used to modify something else, so the original sentence would not have a hyphen but "this is my tea-drinking equipment" would.
– Especially Lime
2 hours ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
Be that as it may, I would also use the hyphen. In the OP's case it would have solved the confusion at the outset, which is a great example of the benefit.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
7 mins ago
add a comment |
There is another use of the phrase "tea drunk", which has its origins in Chinese, as 茶醉 (cha zui, which literally translates to "tea drunk"). It's a state of being, named because it's similar to being drunk on alcohol, with symptoms including dizziness, weakness, and nausea. In this case, "drunk" is a noun and "tea" is an adjective specifying the type of drunkenness, similar to phrases such as "wine drunk" or "liquor drunk."
Example B would still not be correct with this interpretation, as it's not an activity that can be a custom. However, one could say something like "If you drink tea too quickly, you could get tea drunk."
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There is another use of the phrase "tea drunk", which has its origins in Chinese, as 茶醉 (cha zui, which literally translates to "tea drunk"). It's a state of being, named because it's similar to being drunk on alcohol, with symptoms including dizziness, weakness, and nausea. In this case, "drunk" is a noun and "tea" is an adjective specifying the type of drunkenness, similar to phrases such as "wine drunk" or "liquor drunk."
Example B would still not be correct with this interpretation, as it's not an activity that can be a custom. However, one could say something like "If you drink tea too quickly, you could get tea drunk."
New contributor
add a comment |
There is another use of the phrase "tea drunk", which has its origins in Chinese, as 茶醉 (cha zui, which literally translates to "tea drunk"). It's a state of being, named because it's similar to being drunk on alcohol, with symptoms including dizziness, weakness, and nausea. In this case, "drunk" is a noun and "tea" is an adjective specifying the type of drunkenness, similar to phrases such as "wine drunk" or "liquor drunk."
Example B would still not be correct with this interpretation, as it's not an activity that can be a custom. However, one could say something like "If you drink tea too quickly, you could get tea drunk."
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There is another use of the phrase "tea drunk", which has its origins in Chinese, as 茶醉 (cha zui, which literally translates to "tea drunk"). It's a state of being, named because it's similar to being drunk on alcohol, with symptoms including dizziness, weakness, and nausea. In this case, "drunk" is a noun and "tea" is an adjective specifying the type of drunkenness, similar to phrases such as "wine drunk" or "liquor drunk."
Example B would still not be correct with this interpretation, as it's not an activity that can be a custom. However, one could say something like "If you drink tea too quickly, you could get tea drunk."
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Usable patterns:
- Drinking tea is nice.
- Tea drinking is a custom in some countries.
- Answering questions is difficult.
- Playing tennis is boring.
Tea drinking is subject matter. Drinking tea is the actual activity.
All those are activities. In English, we use gerunds as nouns all the time. Here they are all the subject of the sentences I have provided. Knowing that might be helpful to you. In this last case, "knowing that" is the subject made up of a non-action verb that can take a direct object.
Drinking too much is not good for you. [drinking, as in drinking alcohol]
Drinking wine with friends can be amusing.
Another usable pattern, past participle + prepositional phrase, used adjectivally:
The tea ||drunk at the gathering|| was from Japan.
The movie ||viewed at the conference|| was terrible.
The man ||seen on the bus|| was the spy.
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Usable patterns:
- Drinking tea is nice.
- Tea drinking is a custom in some countries.
- Answering questions is difficult.
- Playing tennis is boring.
Tea drinking is subject matter. Drinking tea is the actual activity.
All those are activities. In English, we use gerunds as nouns all the time. Here they are all the subject of the sentences I have provided. Knowing that might be helpful to you. In this last case, "knowing that" is the subject made up of a non-action verb that can take a direct object.
Drinking too much is not good for you. [drinking, as in drinking alcohol]
Drinking wine with friends can be amusing.
Another usable pattern, past participle + prepositional phrase, used adjectivally:
The tea ||drunk at the gathering|| was from Japan.
The movie ||viewed at the conference|| was terrible.
The man ||seen on the bus|| was the spy.
add a comment |
Usable patterns:
- Drinking tea is nice.
- Tea drinking is a custom in some countries.
- Answering questions is difficult.
- Playing tennis is boring.
Tea drinking is subject matter. Drinking tea is the actual activity.
All those are activities. In English, we use gerunds as nouns all the time. Here they are all the subject of the sentences I have provided. Knowing that might be helpful to you. In this last case, "knowing that" is the subject made up of a non-action verb that can take a direct object.
Drinking too much is not good for you. [drinking, as in drinking alcohol]
Drinking wine with friends can be amusing.
Another usable pattern, past participle + prepositional phrase, used adjectivally:
The tea ||drunk at the gathering|| was from Japan.
The movie ||viewed at the conference|| was terrible.
The man ||seen on the bus|| was the spy.
Usable patterns:
- Drinking tea is nice.
- Tea drinking is a custom in some countries.
- Answering questions is difficult.
- Playing tennis is boring.
Tea drinking is subject matter. Drinking tea is the actual activity.
All those are activities. In English, we use gerunds as nouns all the time. Here they are all the subject of the sentences I have provided. Knowing that might be helpful to you. In this last case, "knowing that" is the subject made up of a non-action verb that can take a direct object.
Drinking too much is not good for you. [drinking, as in drinking alcohol]
Drinking wine with friends can be amusing.
Another usable pattern, past participle + prepositional phrase, used adjectivally:
The tea ||drunk at the gathering|| was from Japan.
The movie ||viewed at the conference|| was terrible.
The man ||seen on the bus|| was the spy.
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British people drink much less tea these days. The habit is in decline, and soon (next couple of years) coffee is set to be the dominant drink.
– Michael Harvey
12 hours ago
"Tea" is also the word for a meal in mid-afternoon or evening. I read "Tea drunk is a British custom" as relating to British alcoholics who would have their evening meal whilst intoxicated (another meaning of "drunk"). So B is not only incorrect English, but likely to lead to confusion which you don't want! :)
– Graham
52 mins ago
@MichaelHarvey Do you have a source for that?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
8 mins ago