What mechanisms need to be in place for an advanced, peaceful society to retain high testosterone levels?
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While by no means a smoking gun, there is still a reasonable amount of empirical evidence on the notion that socialization and testosterone are negatively correlated.
Archaeological Evidence
From the archaeological side, Robert Cieri submits that certain skeletal features (heavy brows, upper face) are directly related to testosterone levels. Below is a comparison of an ancient human skull and a near-modern skull.
Zoological Evidence
Animal cognition researchers and Brian Hare (Duke) has published a well-received paper that studied Siberian foxes and chimpanzees and noted the degree of socialization and testosterone level respectively. It is thought humans might be able to be analyzed this way as well:
If we're seeing a process that leads to these changes in other
animals, it might help explain who we are and how we got to be this
way. -- Brian Hare
Other Findings
Moreover, in modern times, due to the welfare state and the enfranchisement of women, the ancient narrative of men as brutal, territorial providers of resources is becoming outdated. I saw a study somewhere showing t-levels falling by 3% with each generation. To me, it begs the question, could it be that modern society and high testosterone levels are diametrically opposed...
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Given there is a natural tendency for testosterone levels in humans to decrease as cooperation increases as shown by the scientific findings, what societal mechanisms does my world need to counteract this tendency? This question is particularly intriguing given that the society in my world is a peaceful one. An alternative way of conceptualizing the question is can a peaceful society still retain males with high levels of testosterone (through societal means only)?
Quality Metric
What do we mean by "societal mechanisms"?: By this I just mean, limit your answer to known sociology only. This is primarily a society question, and so technology-based, evolution-based or genetic-engineering-based answers are not preferred. Answers that use only sociology would score higher in this quality metric.
Note: Of course I take the point that technology and evolution are important for sociology, but such things should not be the defining characteristic of the answer
Further Clarifications and Assumptions (aka why its not PoB or too broad)
- Clearly this analysis is not intended to be robust to every male. Male testosterone levels are not uniform in a population. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the spectrum ranges from Shakespeare to Floyd Mayweather. Instead, we simply are concerned with the mean/median male of the society.
- Answers have to be given using the framework of societal mechanisms only. In other words, This is important, because otherwise I would concede the question would be too broad.
- The society in my world is advanced and peaceful. There might be an occasional skirmish or conflict, but large scale armed conflict is a non-issue. By "advanced" think, rich, little to no problems with income inequality, or unemployment, ect
- How high is high? I just mean high levels of testosterone in the relative sense such that there is no longer a trend of decline. The testosterone levels don't have to increase exponentially or anything. But they need to stay high and stable in the long-run.
- Don't cheat the metric. You know the joke, if Bill Gates moves into your neighborhood, then everyone becomes a millionaire because that's how averages work? I don't want this in my t-levels. So please don't propose a separate sub-species of male having 10^8 ng/dL testosterone that performs gladiatorial combat for the viewing pleasure of the effete males. That is to say, we want to keep t-levels high for males as uniformly as possible
- Don't worry about t-levels decreasing with age, that's fine, but don't kill everyone who has low t-levels either!!
- Everything else, like technology, can assumed to be earth-like, and near-future.
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While by no means a smoking gun, there is still a reasonable amount of empirical evidence on the notion that socialization and testosterone are negatively correlated.
Archaeological Evidence
From the archaeological side, Robert Cieri submits that certain skeletal features (heavy brows, upper face) are directly related to testosterone levels. Below is a comparison of an ancient human skull and a near-modern skull.
Zoological Evidence
Animal cognition researchers and Brian Hare (Duke) has published a well-received paper that studied Siberian foxes and chimpanzees and noted the degree of socialization and testosterone level respectively. It is thought humans might be able to be analyzed this way as well:
If we're seeing a process that leads to these changes in other
animals, it might help explain who we are and how we got to be this
way. -- Brian Hare
Other Findings
Moreover, in modern times, due to the welfare state and the enfranchisement of women, the ancient narrative of men as brutal, territorial providers of resources is becoming outdated. I saw a study somewhere showing t-levels falling by 3% with each generation. To me, it begs the question, could it be that modern society and high testosterone levels are diametrically opposed...
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Given there is a natural tendency for testosterone levels in humans to decrease as cooperation increases as shown by the scientific findings, what societal mechanisms does my world need to counteract this tendency? This question is particularly intriguing given that the society in my world is a peaceful one. An alternative way of conceptualizing the question is can a peaceful society still retain males with high levels of testosterone (through societal means only)?
Quality Metric
What do we mean by "societal mechanisms"?: By this I just mean, limit your answer to known sociology only. This is primarily a society question, and so technology-based, evolution-based or genetic-engineering-based answers are not preferred. Answers that use only sociology would score higher in this quality metric.
Note: Of course I take the point that technology and evolution are important for sociology, but such things should not be the defining characteristic of the answer
Further Clarifications and Assumptions (aka why its not PoB or too broad)
- Clearly this analysis is not intended to be robust to every male. Male testosterone levels are not uniform in a population. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the spectrum ranges from Shakespeare to Floyd Mayweather. Instead, we simply are concerned with the mean/median male of the society.
- Answers have to be given using the framework of societal mechanisms only. In other words, This is important, because otherwise I would concede the question would be too broad.
- The society in my world is advanced and peaceful. There might be an occasional skirmish or conflict, but large scale armed conflict is a non-issue. By "advanced" think, rich, little to no problems with income inequality, or unemployment, ect
- How high is high? I just mean high levels of testosterone in the relative sense such that there is no longer a trend of decline. The testosterone levels don't have to increase exponentially or anything. But they need to stay high and stable in the long-run.
- Don't cheat the metric. You know the joke, if Bill Gates moves into your neighborhood, then everyone becomes a millionaire because that's how averages work? I don't want this in my t-levels. So please don't propose a separate sub-species of male having 10^8 ng/dL testosterone that performs gladiatorial combat for the viewing pleasure of the effete males. That is to say, we want to keep t-levels high for males as uniformly as possible
- Don't worry about t-levels decreasing with age, that's fine, but don't kill everyone who has low t-levels either!!
- Everything else, like technology, can assumed to be earth-like, and near-future.
reality-check society evolution earth-like near-future
asked 4 hours ago
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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While by no means a smoking gun, there is still a reasonable amount of empirical evidence on the notion that socialization and testosterone are negatively correlated.
Archaeological Evidence
From the archaeological side, Robert Cieri submits that certain skeletal features (heavy brows, upper face) are directly related to testosterone levels. Below is a comparison of an ancient human skull and a near-modern skull.
Zoological Evidence
Animal cognition researchers and Brian Hare (Duke) has published a well-received paper that studied Siberian foxes and chimpanzees and noted the degree of socialization and testosterone level respectively. It is thought humans might be able to be analyzed this way as well:
If we're seeing a process that leads to these changes in other
animals, it might help explain who we are and how we got to be this
way. -- Brian Hare
Other Findings
Moreover, in modern times, due to the welfare state and the enfranchisement of women, the ancient narrative of men as brutal, territorial providers of resources is becoming outdated. I saw a study somewhere showing t-levels falling by 3% with each generation. To me, it begs the question, could it be that modern society and high testosterone levels are diametrically opposed...
Question
Given there is a natural tendency for testosterone levels in humans to decrease as cooperation increases as shown by the scientific findings, what societal mechanisms does my world need to counteract this tendency? This question is particularly intriguing given that the society in my world is a peaceful one. An alternative way of conceptualizing the question is can a peaceful society still retain males with high levels of testosterone (through societal means only)?
Quality Metric
What do we mean by "societal mechanisms"?: By this I just mean, limit your answer to known sociology only. This is primarily a society question, and so technology-based, evolution-based or genetic-engineering-based answers are not preferred. Answers that use only sociology would score higher in this quality metric.
Note: Of course I take the point that technology and evolution are important for sociology, but such things should not be the defining characteristic of the answer
Further Clarifications and Assumptions (aka why its not PoB or too broad)
- Clearly this analysis is not intended to be robust to every male. Male testosterone levels are not uniform in a population. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the spectrum ranges from Shakespeare to Floyd Mayweather. Instead, we simply are concerned with the mean/median male of the society.
- Answers have to be given using the framework of societal mechanisms only. In other words, This is important, because otherwise I would concede the question would be too broad.
- The society in my world is advanced and peaceful. There might be an occasional skirmish or conflict, but large scale armed conflict is a non-issue. By "advanced" think, rich, little to no problems with income inequality, or unemployment, ect
- How high is high? I just mean high levels of testosterone in the relative sense such that there is no longer a trend of decline. The testosterone levels don't have to increase exponentially or anything. But they need to stay high and stable in the long-run.
- Don't cheat the metric. You know the joke, if Bill Gates moves into your neighborhood, then everyone becomes a millionaire because that's how averages work? I don't want this in my t-levels. So please don't propose a separate sub-species of male having 10^8 ng/dL testosterone that performs gladiatorial combat for the viewing pleasure of the effete males. That is to say, we want to keep t-levels high for males as uniformly as possible
- Don't worry about t-levels decreasing with age, that's fine, but don't kill everyone who has low t-levels either!!
- Everything else, like technology, can assumed to be earth-like, and near-future.
reality-check society evolution earth-like near-future
asked 4 hours ago
Arash HowaidaArash Howaida
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While by no means a smoking gun, there is still a reasonable amount of empirical evidence on the notion that socialization and testosterone are negatively correlated.
Archaeological Evidence
From the archaeological side, Robert Cieri submits that certain skeletal features (heavy brows, upper face) are directly related to testosterone levels. Below is a comparison of an ancient human skull and a near-modern skull.
Zoological Evidence
Animal cognition researchers and Brian Hare (Duke) has published a well-received paper that studied Siberian foxes and chimpanzees and noted the degree of socialization and testosterone level respectively. It is thought humans might be able to be analyzed this way as well:
If we're seeing a process that leads to these changes in other
animals, it might help explain who we are and how we got to be this
way. -- Brian Hare
Other Findings
Moreover, in modern times, due to the welfare state and the enfranchisement of women, the ancient narrative of men as brutal, territorial providers of resources is becoming outdated. I saw a study somewhere showing t-levels falling by 3% with each generation. To me, it begs the question, could it be that modern society and high testosterone levels are diametrically opposed...
Question
Given there is a natural tendency for testosterone levels in humans to decrease as cooperation increases as shown by the scientific findings, what societal mechanisms does my world need to counteract this tendency? This question is particularly intriguing given that the society in my world is a peaceful one. An alternative way of conceptualizing the question is can a peaceful society still retain males with high levels of testosterone (through societal means only)?
Quality Metric
What do we mean by "societal mechanisms"?: By this I just mean, limit your answer to known sociology only. This is primarily a society question, and so technology-based, evolution-based or genetic-engineering-based answers are not preferred. Answers that use only sociology would score higher in this quality metric.
Note: Of course I take the point that technology and evolution are important for sociology, but such things should not be the defining characteristic of the answer
Further Clarifications and Assumptions (aka why its not PoB or too broad)
- Clearly this analysis is not intended to be robust to every male. Male testosterone levels are not uniform in a population. Not to put too fine a point on it, but the spectrum ranges from Shakespeare to Floyd Mayweather. Instead, we simply are concerned with the mean/median male of the society.
- Answers have to be given using the framework of societal mechanisms only. In other words, This is important, because otherwise I would concede the question would be too broad.
- The society in my world is advanced and peaceful. There might be an occasional skirmish or conflict, but large scale armed conflict is a non-issue. By "advanced" think, rich, little to no problems with income inequality, or unemployment, ect
- How high is high? I just mean high levels of testosterone in the relative sense such that there is no longer a trend of decline. The testosterone levels don't have to increase exponentially or anything. But they need to stay high and stable in the long-run.
- Don't cheat the metric. You know the joke, if Bill Gates moves into your neighborhood, then everyone becomes a millionaire because that's how averages work? I don't want this in my t-levels. So please don't propose a separate sub-species of male having 10^8 ng/dL testosterone that performs gladiatorial combat for the viewing pleasure of the effete males. That is to say, we want to keep t-levels high for males as uniformly as possible
- Don't worry about t-levels decreasing with age, that's fine, but don't kill everyone who has low t-levels either!!
- Everything else, like technology, can assumed to be earth-like, and near-future.
reality-check society evolution earth-like near-future
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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– Rekesoft
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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– Rekesoft
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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If the premise is true(1), your answer probably lies in widespread competitive sport (and increasing the reproductive success of successful players), driving competition and positively selecting for higher testosterone levels.
Interestingly, according to this study you'd probably need to be pretty selective over which sports you promote (power-lifers, for instance, appear to have surprisingly low testosterone compared to other Olympic sports). It also stops short of mentioning whether the testosterone levels are higher or lower than average in each sport which isn't particularly helpful for us.
There's also an issue of whether the testosterone levels of athletes are causes of their success, or caused by their training regimens. I haven't yet been able to find a study for male athletes, but the key may lie in promoting female sport. This study suggests that naturally produced testosterone provides female athletes with a significant competitive edge, so you can use this to drive selection processes. The issue then becomes trying to get your testosterone-laden athletic women to outbreed the non-testosterone-laden general population which will be hard considering that they will likely be competing through their prime fertility years.
If you can solve that through social engineering, and female testosterone levels correlate with male testosterone levels (I can't find a study investigating this), then you might have your solution. What it actually achieves I'm not sure, but you've got it...
(1) The studies presented are probably enough to formulate a hypothesis for a study rather than suggest evidence, unless Cieri's study presents an average of human skeletal features both modern and ancestral or there are human follow-up studies to Brian Hare's suggestion.
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answered 3 hours ago
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A peacock style of courtship.
So we a society with a next to none hierarchical structure and where wealth distribution makes everyone almost equal. Also education and uprising is focused on making people cooperative, and see the celebrity status as empty and vain. A perfect progressive utopia.
But the same society has a peculiar way of people finding mates. Since exhibition of strength, wealth, and even popularity, is seen as primitive, males compete with each other in who is the most beautiful. And their standards of beauty are a bit different from ours. A male is considered beautiful if he's not only muscular, but also hairy all over the body, has characteristic exaggerated facial features, a musky smell, etc. In order to find a mate, males dress in ways which emphasize those traits, and use makeup to draw attention to their brows and noses. Special penis overlays, which would make them look bigger, are probably also in use. Think glam rock cross vikings.
On the other hand, baldness is connected to large quantities of testosterone, so a male who can't boast a mane of hair may try to go in the other direction, shave the hair, and cover the skin in tattoos to draw attention to that.
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
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– Ynneadwraith
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Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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Make it fashionable for every man to be shaped like a sumo wrestler. They will have to eat like cattle AND go to the gym for lifting and gains. Sumo wrestler are fat but they are also muscular. Make synthetic testodterone legal and over the counter.
Also make sure that guns are banned and everybody has access to cheap or free fast internet. That way males will be just arguing on forums and insulting each other's moms instead of shooting each other in schools and cinemas.
answered 1 hour ago
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When competitive Sports are established in your civilization, it could stop or lower the decline of Testosterone in the population. Not only the participants will produce Testosterone, but also the spectators which enables competitive sports to have an impact on a whole civilization.
For example a Chariot Race, which is peaceful but dangerous. It requires alot of courage, fitness and assertiveness to win. This could apply to many other competitive sports
Side note: Sports that are not team based would rank higher, as they don't require cooperation between the participants.
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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There's not one single answer to the question, but it obviously relies on a multitude of factors. Among them are the following:
Dietary guidelines
The modern diet is radically different from that of the past, and several groups of food is known to contribute to hormone levels in the body. So dietary guidelines that enable production of testosterone is a good start.
In particular, fasting is shown to increase testosterone and growth hormones, and without reducing muscle mass. Comparably the modern day trend of constant snacking on empty carbs would counter this.
Working out
As others have pointed out, competitive sports increase testosterone. Working out by itself is known to increase testosterone temporarily. Regular workout should then contribute to more testosterone overall.
Access to pornography
While watching porn by itself can increase testosterone levels, it could potentially drive down competition when the men have easy access to sexual relief. There is less reason to compete over the women, which again can result in lower testosterone.
Medication
In northern countries, Vitamin D is added to milk in order to counter the lack of sunlight and the natural production. There is also no lack of other supplements in use, ranging from protein powder to Omega 3 fatty acids.
As such artificial means such as medication or supplements should not be excluded. It is not unreasonable to enforce a testosterone supplement to common food groups to combat decreasing testosterone levels.
answered 2 hours ago
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I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
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– fffred
2 hours ago
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@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
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– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
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I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
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– fffred
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Marijuana and lots of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28395129
Smoking marijuana depresses testosterone. That T is good for growing your big burly body but on a day to day basis. the gentle herb will keep people peaceable. It works best in the absence of alcohol. Something to consider for our society too.
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If the premise is true(1), your answer probably lies in widespread competitive sport (and increasing the reproductive success of successful players), driving competition and positively selecting for higher testosterone levels.
Interestingly, according to this study you'd probably need to be pretty selective over which sports you promote (power-lifers, for instance, appear to have surprisingly low testosterone compared to other Olympic sports). It also stops short of mentioning whether the testosterone levels are higher or lower than average in each sport which isn't particularly helpful for us.
There's also an issue of whether the testosterone levels of athletes are causes of their success, or caused by their training regimens. I haven't yet been able to find a study for male athletes, but the key may lie in promoting female sport. This study suggests that naturally produced testosterone provides female athletes with a significant competitive edge, so you can use this to drive selection processes. The issue then becomes trying to get your testosterone-laden athletic women to outbreed the non-testosterone-laden general population which will be hard considering that they will likely be competing through their prime fertility years.
If you can solve that through social engineering, and female testosterone levels correlate with male testosterone levels (I can't find a study investigating this), then you might have your solution. What it actually achieves I'm not sure, but you've got it...
(1) The studies presented are probably enough to formulate a hypothesis for a study rather than suggest evidence, unless Cieri's study presents an average of human skeletal features both modern and ancestral or there are human follow-up studies to Brian Hare's suggestion.
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answered 3 hours ago
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If the premise is true(1), your answer probably lies in widespread competitive sport (and increasing the reproductive success of successful players), driving competition and positively selecting for higher testosterone levels.
Interestingly, according to this study you'd probably need to be pretty selective over which sports you promote (power-lifers, for instance, appear to have surprisingly low testosterone compared to other Olympic sports). It also stops short of mentioning whether the testosterone levels are higher or lower than average in each sport which isn't particularly helpful for us.
There's also an issue of whether the testosterone levels of athletes are causes of their success, or caused by their training regimens. I haven't yet been able to find a study for male athletes, but the key may lie in promoting female sport. This study suggests that naturally produced testosterone provides female athletes with a significant competitive edge, so you can use this to drive selection processes. The issue then becomes trying to get your testosterone-laden athletic women to outbreed the non-testosterone-laden general population which will be hard considering that they will likely be competing through their prime fertility years.
If you can solve that through social engineering, and female testosterone levels correlate with male testosterone levels (I can't find a study investigating this), then you might have your solution. What it actually achieves I'm not sure, but you've got it...
(1) The studies presented are probably enough to formulate a hypothesis for a study rather than suggest evidence, unless Cieri's study presents an average of human skeletal features both modern and ancestral or there are human follow-up studies to Brian Hare's suggestion.
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If the premise is true(1), your answer probably lies in widespread competitive sport (and increasing the reproductive success of successful players), driving competition and positively selecting for higher testosterone levels.
Interestingly, according to this study you'd probably need to be pretty selective over which sports you promote (power-lifers, for instance, appear to have surprisingly low testosterone compared to other Olympic sports). It also stops short of mentioning whether the testosterone levels are higher or lower than average in each sport which isn't particularly helpful for us.
There's also an issue of whether the testosterone levels of athletes are causes of their success, or caused by their training regimens. I haven't yet been able to find a study for male athletes, but the key may lie in promoting female sport. This study suggests that naturally produced testosterone provides female athletes with a significant competitive edge, so you can use this to drive selection processes. The issue then becomes trying to get your testosterone-laden athletic women to outbreed the non-testosterone-laden general population which will be hard considering that they will likely be competing through their prime fertility years.
If you can solve that through social engineering, and female testosterone levels correlate with male testosterone levels (I can't find a study investigating this), then you might have your solution. What it actually achieves I'm not sure, but you've got it...
(1) The studies presented are probably enough to formulate a hypothesis for a study rather than suggest evidence, unless Cieri's study presents an average of human skeletal features both modern and ancestral or there are human follow-up studies to Brian Hare's suggestion.
.
answered 3 hours ago
YnneadwraithYnneadwraith
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If the premise is true(1), your answer probably lies in widespread competitive sport (and increasing the reproductive success of successful players), driving competition and positively selecting for higher testosterone levels.
Interestingly, according to this study you'd probably need to be pretty selective over which sports you promote (power-lifers, for instance, appear to have surprisingly low testosterone compared to other Olympic sports). It also stops short of mentioning whether the testosterone levels are higher or lower than average in each sport which isn't particularly helpful for us.
There's also an issue of whether the testosterone levels of athletes are causes of their success, or caused by their training regimens. I haven't yet been able to find a study for male athletes, but the key may lie in promoting female sport. This study suggests that naturally produced testosterone provides female athletes with a significant competitive edge, so you can use this to drive selection processes. The issue then becomes trying to get your testosterone-laden athletic women to outbreed the non-testosterone-laden general population which will be hard considering that they will likely be competing through their prime fertility years.
If you can solve that through social engineering, and female testosterone levels correlate with male testosterone levels (I can't find a study investigating this), then you might have your solution. What it actually achieves I'm not sure, but you've got it...
(1) The studies presented are probably enough to formulate a hypothesis for a study rather than suggest evidence, unless Cieri's study presents an average of human skeletal features both modern and ancestral or there are human follow-up studies to Brian Hare's suggestion.
.
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A peacock style of courtship.
So we a society with a next to none hierarchical structure and where wealth distribution makes everyone almost equal. Also education and uprising is focused on making people cooperative, and see the celebrity status as empty and vain. A perfect progressive utopia.
But the same society has a peculiar way of people finding mates. Since exhibition of strength, wealth, and even popularity, is seen as primitive, males compete with each other in who is the most beautiful. And their standards of beauty are a bit different from ours. A male is considered beautiful if he's not only muscular, but also hairy all over the body, has characteristic exaggerated facial features, a musky smell, etc. In order to find a mate, males dress in ways which emphasize those traits, and use makeup to draw attention to their brows and noses. Special penis overlays, which would make them look bigger, are probably also in use. Think glam rock cross vikings.
On the other hand, baldness is connected to large quantities of testosterone, so a male who can't boast a mane of hair may try to go in the other direction, shave the hair, and cover the skin in tattoos to draw attention to that.
answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
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– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
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Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
10 mins ago
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A peacock style of courtship.
So we a society with a next to none hierarchical structure and where wealth distribution makes everyone almost equal. Also education and uprising is focused on making people cooperative, and see the celebrity status as empty and vain. A perfect progressive utopia.
But the same society has a peculiar way of people finding mates. Since exhibition of strength, wealth, and even popularity, is seen as primitive, males compete with each other in who is the most beautiful. And their standards of beauty are a bit different from ours. A male is considered beautiful if he's not only muscular, but also hairy all over the body, has characteristic exaggerated facial features, a musky smell, etc. In order to find a mate, males dress in ways which emphasize those traits, and use makeup to draw attention to their brows and noses. Special penis overlays, which would make them look bigger, are probably also in use. Think glam rock cross vikings.
On the other hand, baldness is connected to large quantities of testosterone, so a male who can't boast a mane of hair may try to go in the other direction, shave the hair, and cover the skin in tattoos to draw attention to that.
answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
67649
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
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– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
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Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
10 mins ago
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$begingroup$
A peacock style of courtship.
So we a society with a next to none hierarchical structure and where wealth distribution makes everyone almost equal. Also education and uprising is focused on making people cooperative, and see the celebrity status as empty and vain. A perfect progressive utopia.
But the same society has a peculiar way of people finding mates. Since exhibition of strength, wealth, and even popularity, is seen as primitive, males compete with each other in who is the most beautiful. And their standards of beauty are a bit different from ours. A male is considered beautiful if he's not only muscular, but also hairy all over the body, has characteristic exaggerated facial features, a musky smell, etc. In order to find a mate, males dress in ways which emphasize those traits, and use makeup to draw attention to their brows and noses. Special penis overlays, which would make them look bigger, are probably also in use. Think glam rock cross vikings.
On the other hand, baldness is connected to large quantities of testosterone, so a male who can't boast a mane of hair may try to go in the other direction, shave the hair, and cover the skin in tattoos to draw attention to that.
answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
67649
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A peacock style of courtship.
So we a society with a next to none hierarchical structure and where wealth distribution makes everyone almost equal. Also education and uprising is focused on making people cooperative, and see the celebrity status as empty and vain. A perfect progressive utopia.
But the same society has a peculiar way of people finding mates. Since exhibition of strength, wealth, and even popularity, is seen as primitive, males compete with each other in who is the most beautiful. And their standards of beauty are a bit different from ours. A male is considered beautiful if he's not only muscular, but also hairy all over the body, has characteristic exaggerated facial features, a musky smell, etc. In order to find a mate, males dress in ways which emphasize those traits, and use makeup to draw attention to their brows and noses. Special penis overlays, which would make them look bigger, are probably also in use. Think glam rock cross vikings.
On the other hand, baldness is connected to large quantities of testosterone, so a male who can't boast a mane of hair may try to go in the other direction, shave the hair, and cover the skin in tattoos to draw attention to that.
answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
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answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
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answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
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answered 31 mins ago
makingthematrixmakingthematrix
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
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– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
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Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
10 mins ago
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
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– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
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Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
10 mins ago
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
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You know what, this works a lot better than my idea. You've got my vote!
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
28 mins ago
$begingroup$
Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
$begingroup$
Haha, thanks :D I think a sort of a competitive sport could also make part in mating rituals. It would just have to be something that's not about hitting each other, or being stronger, or faster, but more like dance competitions, or figure skating. It could even resemble an actual peacock fight with two males trying to outshine the other in a complex spectacle of acrobatic figures and haut couture robes.
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– makingthematrix
15 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
10 mins ago
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Well, the trouble I found in my answer was that there isn't actually a great deal of evidence I could find that competitive sport increases testosterone levels. I could find higher testosterone levels measured in some select sports, but there's no study that determines a causal link either from higher testosterone increasing sporting performance or sporting performance increasing testosterone (not to say it doesn't, but at the moment it's just an assumption). Yours imparts a direct sexual selection pressure on traits known to stem from increased testosterone. An occam's razor solution ;)
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10 mins ago
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Make it fashionable for every man to be shaped like a sumo wrestler. They will have to eat like cattle AND go to the gym for lifting and gains. Sumo wrestler are fat but they are also muscular. Make synthetic testodterone legal and over the counter.
Also make sure that guns are banned and everybody has access to cheap or free fast internet. That way males will be just arguing on forums and insulting each other's moms instead of shooting each other in schools and cinemas.
answered 1 hour ago
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Make it fashionable for every man to be shaped like a sumo wrestler. They will have to eat like cattle AND go to the gym for lifting and gains. Sumo wrestler are fat but they are also muscular. Make synthetic testodterone legal and over the counter.
Also make sure that guns are banned and everybody has access to cheap or free fast internet. That way males will be just arguing on forums and insulting each other's moms instead of shooting each other in schools and cinemas.
answered 1 hour ago
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Make it fashionable for every man to be shaped like a sumo wrestler. They will have to eat like cattle AND go to the gym for lifting and gains. Sumo wrestler are fat but they are also muscular. Make synthetic testodterone legal and over the counter.
Also make sure that guns are banned and everybody has access to cheap or free fast internet. That way males will be just arguing on forums and insulting each other's moms instead of shooting each other in schools and cinemas.
answered 1 hour ago
RenanRenan
45.6k11106230
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Make it fashionable for every man to be shaped like a sumo wrestler. They will have to eat like cattle AND go to the gym for lifting and gains. Sumo wrestler are fat but they are also muscular. Make synthetic testodterone legal and over the counter.
Also make sure that guns are banned and everybody has access to cheap or free fast internet. That way males will be just arguing on forums and insulting each other's moms instead of shooting each other in schools and cinemas.
answered 1 hour ago
RenanRenan
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answered 1 hour ago
RenanRenan
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When competitive Sports are established in your civilization, it could stop or lower the decline of Testosterone in the population. Not only the participants will produce Testosterone, but also the spectators which enables competitive sports to have an impact on a whole civilization.
For example a Chariot Race, which is peaceful but dangerous. It requires alot of courage, fitness and assertiveness to win. This could apply to many other competitive sports
Side note: Sports that are not team based would rank higher, as they don't require cooperation between the participants.
answered 3 hours ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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– Finnn
1 hour ago
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When competitive Sports are established in your civilization, it could stop or lower the decline of Testosterone in the population. Not only the participants will produce Testosterone, but also the spectators which enables competitive sports to have an impact on a whole civilization.
For example a Chariot Race, which is peaceful but dangerous. It requires alot of courage, fitness and assertiveness to win. This could apply to many other competitive sports
Side note: Sports that are not team based would rank higher, as they don't require cooperation between the participants.
answered 3 hours ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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– Finnn
1 hour ago
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When competitive Sports are established in your civilization, it could stop or lower the decline of Testosterone in the population. Not only the participants will produce Testosterone, but also the spectators which enables competitive sports to have an impact on a whole civilization.
For example a Chariot Race, which is peaceful but dangerous. It requires alot of courage, fitness and assertiveness to win. This could apply to many other competitive sports
Side note: Sports that are not team based would rank higher, as they don't require cooperation between the participants.
answered 3 hours ago
FinnnFinnn
12
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When competitive Sports are established in your civilization, it could stop or lower the decline of Testosterone in the population. Not only the participants will produce Testosterone, but also the spectators which enables competitive sports to have an impact on a whole civilization.
For example a Chariot Race, which is peaceful but dangerous. It requires alot of courage, fitness and assertiveness to win. This could apply to many other competitive sports
Side note: Sports that are not team based would rank higher, as they don't require cooperation between the participants.
answered 3 hours ago
FinnnFinnn
12
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answered 3 hours ago
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answered 3 hours ago
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answered 3 hours ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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– Finnn
1 hour ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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– Finnn
1 hour ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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Hi Finnn. Welcome to Worldbuilding SE. I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if competitive sports reduce the testosterone level of the general population? I you could reword it in order for the actual question to be a bit clearer, I think it would be easier for people to understand what you're asking for. Try checking out other more successful questions to have a clearer view of how to ask questions here.
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– Magus
2 hours ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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– Finnn
1 hour ago
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My answer is pretty clear. "What mechanisms have to be in place in a peaceful society to counteract Testosterone decline in the population?" Short answer: Competitive sports Long answer: See post
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1 hour ago
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There's not one single answer to the question, but it obviously relies on a multitude of factors. Among them are the following:
Dietary guidelines
The modern diet is radically different from that of the past, and several groups of food is known to contribute to hormone levels in the body. So dietary guidelines that enable production of testosterone is a good start.
In particular, fasting is shown to increase testosterone and growth hormones, and without reducing muscle mass. Comparably the modern day trend of constant snacking on empty carbs would counter this.
Working out
As others have pointed out, competitive sports increase testosterone. Working out by itself is known to increase testosterone temporarily. Regular workout should then contribute to more testosterone overall.
Access to pornography
While watching porn by itself can increase testosterone levels, it could potentially drive down competition when the men have easy access to sexual relief. There is less reason to compete over the women, which again can result in lower testosterone.
Medication
In northern countries, Vitamin D is added to milk in order to counter the lack of sunlight and the natural production. There is also no lack of other supplements in use, ranging from protein powder to Omega 3 fatty acids.
As such artificial means such as medication or supplements should not be excluded. It is not unreasonable to enforce a testosterone supplement to common food groups to combat decreasing testosterone levels.
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
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I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
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– fffred
2 hours ago
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@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
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– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
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I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
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– fffred
1 hour ago
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There's not one single answer to the question, but it obviously relies on a multitude of factors. Among them are the following:
Dietary guidelines
The modern diet is radically different from that of the past, and several groups of food is known to contribute to hormone levels in the body. So dietary guidelines that enable production of testosterone is a good start.
In particular, fasting is shown to increase testosterone and growth hormones, and without reducing muscle mass. Comparably the modern day trend of constant snacking on empty carbs would counter this.
Working out
As others have pointed out, competitive sports increase testosterone. Working out by itself is known to increase testosterone temporarily. Regular workout should then contribute to more testosterone overall.
Access to pornography
While watching porn by itself can increase testosterone levels, it could potentially drive down competition when the men have easy access to sexual relief. There is less reason to compete over the women, which again can result in lower testosterone.
Medication
In northern countries, Vitamin D is added to milk in order to counter the lack of sunlight and the natural production. There is also no lack of other supplements in use, ranging from protein powder to Omega 3 fatty acids.
As such artificial means such as medication or supplements should not be excluded. It is not unreasonable to enforce a testosterone supplement to common food groups to combat decreasing testosterone levels.
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
99718
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I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
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– fffred
2 hours ago
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@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
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– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
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I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
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– fffred
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There's not one single answer to the question, but it obviously relies on a multitude of factors. Among them are the following:
Dietary guidelines
The modern diet is radically different from that of the past, and several groups of food is known to contribute to hormone levels in the body. So dietary guidelines that enable production of testosterone is a good start.
In particular, fasting is shown to increase testosterone and growth hormones, and without reducing muscle mass. Comparably the modern day trend of constant snacking on empty carbs would counter this.
Working out
As others have pointed out, competitive sports increase testosterone. Working out by itself is known to increase testosterone temporarily. Regular workout should then contribute to more testosterone overall.
Access to pornography
While watching porn by itself can increase testosterone levels, it could potentially drive down competition when the men have easy access to sexual relief. There is less reason to compete over the women, which again can result in lower testosterone.
Medication
In northern countries, Vitamin D is added to milk in order to counter the lack of sunlight and the natural production. There is also no lack of other supplements in use, ranging from protein powder to Omega 3 fatty acids.
As such artificial means such as medication or supplements should not be excluded. It is not unreasonable to enforce a testosterone supplement to common food groups to combat decreasing testosterone levels.
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
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There's not one single answer to the question, but it obviously relies on a multitude of factors. Among them are the following:
Dietary guidelines
The modern diet is radically different from that of the past, and several groups of food is known to contribute to hormone levels in the body. So dietary guidelines that enable production of testosterone is a good start.
In particular, fasting is shown to increase testosterone and growth hormones, and without reducing muscle mass. Comparably the modern day trend of constant snacking on empty carbs would counter this.
Working out
As others have pointed out, competitive sports increase testosterone. Working out by itself is known to increase testosterone temporarily. Regular workout should then contribute to more testosterone overall.
Access to pornography
While watching porn by itself can increase testosterone levels, it could potentially drive down competition when the men have easy access to sexual relief. There is less reason to compete over the women, which again can result in lower testosterone.
Medication
In northern countries, Vitamin D is added to milk in order to counter the lack of sunlight and the natural production. There is also no lack of other supplements in use, ranging from protein powder to Omega 3 fatty acids.
As such artificial means such as medication or supplements should not be excluded. It is not unreasonable to enforce a testosterone supplement to common food groups to combat decreasing testosterone levels.
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
99718
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
99718
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
99718
answered 2 hours ago
Spoki0Spoki0
99718
99718
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I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
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– fffred
2 hours ago
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@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
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– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
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I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
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– fffred
1 hour ago
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I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
$endgroup$
– fffred
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
$endgroup$
– fffred
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
$endgroup$
– fffred
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I feel like this answer, just like the others, completely avoid the core of the problem: testosterone encourages more confrontation and search for domination/power. This disrupts the educational, political and cultural systems into more anarchy thus less peace and equality.
$endgroup$
– fffred
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@fffred The question doesn't ask for the effects of the proposed change, only the method for doing so. It's an intriguing question, but I'm not surprised it hasn't been touched upon. I suspect the answer is far more complicated than 'testosterone=anarchy' though, especially if the original premise is true and anatomically modern humans with advanced cultures did have higher testosterone.
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
$endgroup$
– fffred
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
I guess anarchy was not the best word to express my point. But still, I DO think this was the point of the question. Indeed, it stems from scientific evidence that society organisation was accompanied by lower testosterone, thus suggesting that testosterone goes against such organisation. IMO, this is what the issue is about.
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– fffred
1 hour ago
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Marijuana and lots of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28395129
Smoking marijuana depresses testosterone. That T is good for growing your big burly body but on a day to day basis. the gentle herb will keep people peaceable. It works best in the absence of alcohol. Something to consider for our society too.
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
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Marijuana and lots of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28395129
Smoking marijuana depresses testosterone. That T is good for growing your big burly body but on a day to day basis. the gentle herb will keep people peaceable. It works best in the absence of alcohol. Something to consider for our society too.
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Marijuana and lots of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28395129
Smoking marijuana depresses testosterone. That T is good for growing your big burly body but on a day to day basis. the gentle herb will keep people peaceable. It works best in the absence of alcohol. Something to consider for our society too.
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
$endgroup$
Marijuana and lots of it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28395129
Smoking marijuana depresses testosterone. That T is good for growing your big burly body but on a day to day basis. the gentle herb will keep people peaceable. It works best in the absence of alcohol. Something to consider for our society too.
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
answered 25 mins ago
WillkWillk
104k25197440
104k25197440
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While testosterone is linked to aggressive behaviour, it's also more heavily linked to muscle growth, male sexual libido and baldness, to name a few. A society with low-testosterone may be violent - violence is less prevalent in women's prisons, but there is some violence too - and a high testosterone society may be peaciful - not many fist fights in monasteries. Specially, war is not fueled by testosterone but by greed.
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