Not Developing a Piece in the First Five Moves
Here are the first few moves:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
After the fifth move, black has essentially only pushed one pawn, while while has developed two knights and his c-pawn and d-pawn. However, the current position does not seem bad for black at all. 365chess.com gives winnings percentage White / Draw / Black as 25% /50% /25%.
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1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
My question is, in the first few moves, has black violated any opening principles? Why this position is not too bad for black while he has only pushed one pawn while white has developed two nights (and it is white's turn now)?
opening english-opening development
asked 12 hours ago
ZurielZuriel
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Here are the first few moves:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
After the fifth move, black has essentially only pushed one pawn, while while has developed two knights and his c-pawn and d-pawn. However, the current position does not seem bad for black at all. 365chess.com gives winnings percentage White / Draw / Black as 25% /50% /25%.
[fen ""]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
My question is, in the first few moves, has black violated any opening principles? Why this position is not too bad for black while he has only pushed one pawn while white has developed two nights (and it is white's turn now)?
opening english-opening development
asked 12 hours ago
ZurielZuriel
651312
Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago
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Here are the first few moves:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
After the fifth move, black has essentially only pushed one pawn, while while has developed two knights and his c-pawn and d-pawn. However, the current position does not seem bad for black at all. 365chess.com gives winnings percentage White / Draw / Black as 25% /50% /25%.
[fen ""]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
My question is, in the first few moves, has black violated any opening principles? Why this position is not too bad for black while he has only pushed one pawn while white has developed two nights (and it is white's turn now)?
opening english-opening development
asked 12 hours ago
ZurielZuriel
651312
Here are the first few moves:
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
After the fifth move, black has essentially only pushed one pawn, while while has developed two knights and his c-pawn and d-pawn. However, the current position does not seem bad for black at all. 365chess.com gives winnings percentage White / Draw / Black as 25% /50% /25%.
[fen ""]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 3.Nd5 Bc5 4.Nf3 e4 5.d4 Bf8
My question is, in the first few moves, has black violated any opening principles? Why this position is not too bad for black while he has only pushed one pawn while white has developed two nights (and it is white's turn now)?
opening english-opening development
opening english-opening development
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asked 12 hours ago
ZurielZuriel
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Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago
Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago
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Obviously black has violated principles such as:
- don't move a piece twice
- develop pieces
However opening principles are just general guidelines and in very concrete positions like the one at hand they are of little use. There are many established openings where opening principles are broken, so nothing wrong with that.
In the final position it is white's move, however the knight on f3 is attacked and has to move. After the knight has moved, black will most certainly kick away the other knight by playing c6 and then create a strong pawn center with d5 or f5.
White has currently a lead in development but black has more space and will have an easier development for its minor pieces than white. If there is nothing immediately threatening from white, I don't see why black should have a bad position.
Note that my engine still prefers white's position by about +0.5.
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Obviously black has violated principles such as:
- don't move a piece twice
- develop pieces
However opening principles are just general guidelines and in very concrete positions like the one at hand they are of little use. There are many established openings where opening principles are broken, so nothing wrong with that.
In the final position it is white's move, however the knight on f3 is attacked and has to move. After the knight has moved, black will most certainly kick away the other knight by playing c6 and then create a strong pawn center with d5 or f5.
White has currently a lead in development but black has more space and will have an easier development for its minor pieces than white. If there is nothing immediately threatening from white, I don't see why black should have a bad position.
Note that my engine still prefers white's position by about +0.5.
answered 11 hours ago
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Obviously black has violated principles such as:
- don't move a piece twice
- develop pieces
However opening principles are just general guidelines and in very concrete positions like the one at hand they are of little use. There are many established openings where opening principles are broken, so nothing wrong with that.
In the final position it is white's move, however the knight on f3 is attacked and has to move. After the knight has moved, black will most certainly kick away the other knight by playing c6 and then create a strong pawn center with d5 or f5.
White has currently a lead in development but black has more space and will have an easier development for its minor pieces than white. If there is nothing immediately threatening from white, I don't see why black should have a bad position.
Note that my engine still prefers white's position by about +0.5.
answered 11 hours ago
user1583209user1583209
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Obviously black has violated principles such as:
- don't move a piece twice
- develop pieces
However opening principles are just general guidelines and in very concrete positions like the one at hand they are of little use. There are many established openings where opening principles are broken, so nothing wrong with that.
In the final position it is white's move, however the knight on f3 is attacked and has to move. After the knight has moved, black will most certainly kick away the other knight by playing c6 and then create a strong pawn center with d5 or f5.
White has currently a lead in development but black has more space and will have an easier development for its minor pieces than white. If there is nothing immediately threatening from white, I don't see why black should have a bad position.
Note that my engine still prefers white's position by about +0.5.
answered 11 hours ago
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Obviously black has violated principles such as:
- don't move a piece twice
- develop pieces
However opening principles are just general guidelines and in very concrete positions like the one at hand they are of little use. There are many established openings where opening principles are broken, so nothing wrong with that.
In the final position it is white's move, however the knight on f3 is attacked and has to move. After the knight has moved, black will most certainly kick away the other knight by playing c6 and then create a strong pawn center with d5 or f5.
White has currently a lead in development but black has more space and will have an easier development for its minor pieces than white. If there is nothing immediately threatening from white, I don't see why black should have a bad position.
Note that my engine still prefers white's position by about +0.5.
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Why do you think blacks position isn't that bad? White seems to have a solid advantage, more than the advantage from moving first.
– Matthew Liu
11 hours ago
@MatthewLiu, I never played this position; I concluded from the winning percentage.
– Zuriel
11 hours ago
Blacks position looks busted. Bf4 d6 Nd2 c6 Nc3 d5 cxd5 cxd5 Nb5 Na6 Rc1. I didn't get an engine to analyze this but white's position seems really good.
– Matthew Liu
9 hours ago